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florian.raffel lost his facebook id is Florian Zacharias Raffel and owns occupyberlin .info but see also occupyberlin .tumblr .com
A 1st project can simply be ComComizing our propaganda, i.e. financing and activating our (more passive) supporters as being peer owners (as equal shareholders) in the designing, the prints and spread, the streams&beams and maintenance (while developing) our servers projects etc.
also see occupywallst.org/forum/becoming-equal-shareholders-over-the-banks-holding/
see also this as it was proposed by Rafael de la Rubia on
Why someones put her own face in front? The Movement don't have leader or leadership, this is one of the basement. Why some people are follow the movement but don`t regonize, this simple fact?
as for what i understood, it is not coincident to see the taz in our weak moment after florain sms when the policeman give his speech in the demo falsifying the act of assembly .
this is for the local assemblies to magnify the general one. e.g. for the general assembly of berlin is the one born in 15O near Bundestag and for local one could be indoor on coop, wall on the wall of the s-bahn.
www.facebook.com/florian.raffel?ref=ts i do not trust him!!
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Erez Elul is he like Wolfram Siener? i do not know, but i do know that when they are falsifying the movement, they do it by claiming to represent it, as they are connected well. What was today proven to me is that florian, police and the taz worked together for breaking us.
10 hours ago · Like
Thomas Scheffer yes, i do not know if i can trust him, too.
3 hours ago · Like
Matthias Merkle let's meet tommorrow, Erez!?
2 hours ago · Like
Mario Gutowski like here?: minute 36 www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/sendung-verpasst/#/beitrag/video/1468548/log-in:-Wirtschaftsbremse-Protest
Sendung Verpasst? - ZDF Mediathek
ZDFmediathek - Sendung Verpasst? Finden Sie hier alle verpassten Sendungen der letzten sieben Tage im Überblick.
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Erez Elul hey u all, thanks for this reaction. u know i do not know german language for understanding the manipulation made here, but i do understand the protocol of assemblies and human reactions, so i am really thankful for any thing put here. it is very important for me thanks again.
50 minutes ago · Like · 1 person
Erez Elul Any law, such as those based on "war on terror", shall never be consider legitimized, when acting against democratic citizens, where democratic citizens shall always have at least these 3 freedoms:
freedom of speech (in)
freedom of association (for those having)
freedom to move
46 minutes ago · Like
Erez Elul that was the last comment on occupy-berlin.wikidot.com/
We Are The 99%, we talk to you, do you hear us? - Occupy Berlin
46 minutes ago · Like ·
Eva Kubitza I don't trust anybody who posts discreditations on facebook.
41 minutes ago · Like
Mario Gutowski It´s ok to say what is your opinion in a world where everybdody use the own brain. And when we can talk with each other we can solve every problem or misunderstanding!
32 minutes ago · Like
eva i now see more , as it become nicer to be able to map each of us, as for who could we trust. and as it is kind of easier, by simply doing it on facebook. For me i know that every thing i do is public when i get my self into these assemb…See More
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xlterrestrials.org/scheme.html they could help
on blog.freifunk.net/ there is a mashup solution for intent on wifi , wifi can help in solving the sync, but is it true only in much shorter distance?
for making it as essay as we can we now will provide 2 streams without sync (some 3 seconds dealy) by using the bambuser from http://bambuser.com/
Tutorial on http://www.alex11.org/2011/10/tutorial-stream/
This requires 2 streaming points the in which is streaming the assemblies in room and the out which is streaming the projection on the street wall of the in-stream. so we need
- 2 pc/iphone/or whatever can make streams by bambuser , if we can we could use external camera and mic
- 1 beamer (no voice)
here is a flyer
see the image here:
the tech of making in room assemblies projected on the wall of which pic/ vid is streamed with the voice of the room, so that in the outside we make no noise , for having no problem with neighbors unless it is wanted. It is streamed with voice and project without!! Could we make some headphones with some antenna taking the stream and transmitting only only the voice.
Who is Pierre Kaskys
who is www.facebook.com/p.kaskys , what he is doing now in the army and why he does that while doing also pad-company.posterous.com/15o-preparation-and-training-workshops ?
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#Alex11 where did you find that army-information?
September 22 at 12:18am · Like
#Alex11 from him
September 22 at 6:55pm · Like
Pierre Kaskys Hey everyone! If you have any questions, please do ask! As I told Erez Elul I'm very much looking forward for stimulating conversations!
September 23 at 6:37pm · Like
#Alex11 and that is a problem when it is not clear how one can be in the same time in both : army and alex11 or 15o? why should people trust your operations giving you the information about the activist? sorry to be such ugly but one must ask non personal questions: such as again: what one active in the army should look for here?
September 23 at 6:53pm · Like
Pierre Kaskys I'm not in any group. As you said at the meeting "Thank you for what you're doing, but we don't wan't to know who you are or where you come from."
I'm many different things, I'm a human being, full of contradictions, of dreams and fears. I've been lucky to be "in" a lot of things at the same time over my short life and we could spend ours talking about whom that made me
September 23 at 7:00pm · Like · 2 people
Pierre Kaskys But I honestly think there are more important things to do at the moment, like uniting and getting organised in order to change that balance of power between human and money, people and elites which has become so destructive.
September 23 at 7:02pm · Like · 1 person
The only question for me and some of us is this: are you active in the army now? The answer from you was yes! What we do here just proving the point that your activities as long as you do not give ALL information from army, can ONLY work a…See More
September 23 at 7:10pm · Like
Pierre Kaskys I never said I was active in the army now! I'm in the reserve, that means the army can call me in if they deem necessary.
September 23 at 7:18pm · Like
Pierre Kaskys Mainly, my activities at the moment regard my job as a trainer and running PAD Company.
September 23 at 7:19pm · Like
#Alex11 too much of a risk! Where, for what and whom are u training?
September 23 at 7:24pm · Like
I think it might be much more important, what Pierre is offering - I like Wörterditschen (but I will suggest a better name, if I find one, the most Germans do not know the word anymore) and I am also interested in the other training-options…See More
September 24 at 2:18am · Like
#Alex11 Cool! any one else think it is not a risk? Just to know, so that we could get more of transparency . and as watter than we could split and unit per each case.
September 24 at 4:09am · Like
Andreas Frie What will you do, if a Police Officer will enter a group, saying, something like "My life is a mess, I hate my job, I am a slave to the system and a protector of the rich instead of working for the people, I want my dignity back and I am here for the revolution"?
As far as I know something like that happened a few time in Spain. To risky?
September 24 at 11:39am · Like
#Alex11 then i will do what i did with pierre - i would ask the one to give info to us from the place he was, the info should be valuable, and i will do it for making things clear, so that the info come from us would not go there. i hope i am clear and i am coping this (fb is going delete it) for using it in other times. thanks.
Erez Elul posted to Florian Elel
Are we against Sarrazin thilo? alex11.wikidot.com/150-berlin-marieanen-plz
150 Berlin Marieanen Plz - #Alex11 Do: create your assemblies and actions
Here are our no plansA)when/where: starting from 14:00 NeptunBrunnen (in alex plz) and then landing from at 1800-1900 in Marieanen Plz.symbol: tents :)What: Concert + streaming to the INTERNET the projecting on Bethanien's wall of the (winter) assemblies in it. 1 such assembly is about: Are we again…
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Florian Elel likes this.
Erez Elul Florian Elel, thanks to your input it is now changed to : Non personally speaking, are we against Sarrazin thilo? Still i did not gut your opinion to this one :)
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Florian Elel iam against what hes thinking and saying but also iam against to say "iam against person x" …thats also no good way…its better to argument then to blame people you know…and beside of this there is no "we" with a political program…every person has his own opinion
about an hour ago · Like
Erez Elul Non personally speaking, are we against what Sarrazin thilo think and say!
39 minutes ago · Like · 1 person
Erez Elul thanks for this
38 minutes ago · Like
Erez Elul i mean this: 1 thanks for your input, now it is "Non personally speaking, are we against what Sarrazin thilo think and say?" 2. thanks for letting any one know your personal opinion 3. my opinion is that i could not get into consensus with who could not agree with the above statement ,so i invite who could agree to that. i do so for my identification as one peer in a larger group.
32 minutes ago · Like
Erez Elul i think that the issue is also about the positions the person hold and held as politician and in the central bank, so it is what he say and think especially as it is reflect to the positions he hold and held, what you think?
27 minutes ago · Like
Florian Elel i think there are a lot of more important stuff in the world than this sarrazin guy..all 2010 ALL germany spoke about that shitbook and iam sick of this debatte…i dont want it anymore…ok?
25 minutes ago · Like
Erez Elul so this defined the people with whom you ask to get into consensus! i do agree that their much more important thinks to do then to talk about this man, so let's end it either with consensus or in a split! As for me it is the divide line, because i am with people that know the pain related to the issues triggered by this man, again ignoring this issue will reduce reliability as for what could we stand for!
19 minutes ago · Like
Florian Elel erez you are free person..you can do what you want…if you find people for some anti-sarrazinshit-stuff and it just blame what he says (but not him or any other person personaly) do what you want…but im sick of that toppic…
16 minutes ago · Like
Erez Elul ok :) so 1) In the level of consensus we kind of agree to invite different group by different flyers triggering different issues, correct? 2) Another question, can i copy this thread to the wikidot, so the others will understand better the issue? 3) To me it is all correct as we are watter , are not we?
8 minutes ago · Like
Florian Elel i dont understand very well whats your point but fell free and do what you want…we are no group, erez…just individuals who are comunicating
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need also b/w A3 to put in pub etc.
the black and white, should be on A7 or A6, for making it cheap to copy,no?
and the color, on what size?
i want to list an item to speak about:
in bertanian to have some tents + assemblies , being vid and projected on the its wall.
this way we are always legal and comfortable and bringing the message of make assemblies in any way .
We can ask our "passive" supporters, not (only) to donate, but to become (small and) equal shareholders over the companies starting in giving services to our activists (cars, tents, sites etc) and targeting holding newspaper, radio or tv channel; market-halls, food production, banks and insurances, companies and as the shareholders are also the clients of such companies.
This approach can add a new "positive" to the "negative" campaigning we are now doing, as we are working for the 99% against the 1% having most of the resources.
Try the 6 points of the contract protecting such equal shareholders and create or join your event about it and If you like it, do something about it: register your organization for becoming comcomized!
In more details:
- Each such company provides services to the movement's activists, including"things" like cars, rooms, boats :), social platform, journal/radio/tv channels, food/energy producers/distributors, insurance companies, banks and/or lobbies assisting in fighting for the activists causes,
- where the company's objectives are (in several year to come) creating its new market of the 99%, as its peer owners are to become the costumers of the comcoms.
- The company's promotions are the activists' protests
- The company's profit is planed to the future (say for the next 5,10 years) based on creating its market by providing its services
Making many (at least some hundreds of thousands) small peer owners of such companies will weaken any attempt to lock the movement in corners, such as of conspiracy theory etc, and will produce contact positive interest of peer owners in the activity of movement.
* see also: it versus credit unions and and the barakobama.com case
here some more info about the idea:
- Comcomism: workshop/assemblies about it
Demands: We could demand
- such comcomized units of which t<=1m, d>=0.5 and c>=150 for human or c>=10 for comcom would become tax free; and
- all institutes being bailout are to be govcomcomized, such that instead of directly putting moeny into all those institutes-in-and-making-trouble, while being self justified "as doing that just for helping" any "list of people", putting that moeny as investment of these people becoming "peer owners" in those institutes, after those institutes are comcomized.
- Example given,( among many other), the german banks benefiting from ECB's bailout are to become govcomcomized, of which peer owners are (depend on the justification) all Europe's, or just the german, tax payers.
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